Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!akgua!mcnc!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!crs From: crs@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.books,net.women Subject: Re: Kiddie Porn (Re: R. Draves) Message-ID: <20459@lanl.ARPA> Date: Mon, 28-Jan-85 14:59:16 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.20459 Posted: Mon Jan 28 14:59:16 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Feb-85 11:06:46 EST References: <4608@cbscc.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 38 Xref: watmath net.books:1361 net.women:4335 > As for the "consenting" part of your distinction, I have already > remaked that the fact that the kids aren't consenting is because > kiddie porn is illegal in the first place. If it weren't it would > be done by "consenting" children. I'll explain that by saying > that it is the parents who would give consent. Last week I heard > on the news of a couple who was arrested by an undercover agent > posing as a kiddie porn producer. They "sold" their daught > (either 8 or 12 years old, I can't remember) over to him for > $300,000 saying that they could do anything they want to her. > > I think we are being inconsistent in our judgement in comparing > kiddie porn with adult porn if when we don't take into account > the differences made by the fact that one is illegal and the other > not. If kid porn were legal couples like the one above would > be granting consent for their children to be used. It could also > be argued that the kids would suffer less abuse at the hands > of people they no rather than strangers (i.e. kidnapping would > be unecessary, the production would be less covert so abuse would > be easier to detect, parents could supervise, etc.) What would > be the difference between that and granting consent for them to > be used in TV commercials or motion pictures? If you say the > content of the material makes a difference then you must play > the definition game and, in doing so, you need to justify why > the distinction can be made based on content when consented > (by parents) children are used, but no such distinction can be > made for adults. > ******************************************************************** Aww, come on, Paul. Really! The comparison between kiddy porn laws and child labor laws would be more valid than those you suggest. They are FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE CHILDREN. They are not for the "protection" of the viewer. Charlie *******************************************************************