Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!brl-tgr!wmartin From: wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) Newsgroups: net.consumers Subject: Heat without electricity Message-ID: <7946@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Fri, 1-Feb-85 16:06:24 EST Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.7946 Posted: Fri Feb 1 16:06:24 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 3-Feb-85 09:39:54 EST Distribution: net Organization: USAMC ALMSA Lines: 61 In the light of the recent postings about automatic thermostats, I have a question about the operation of gas-fired furnaces when there is no electricity due to power interruptions. At this time of year, we often see or read news stories about this or that area losing electrical service due to storm or ice damage, and the loss of heat in the homes in that area forcing people to community shelters or emergency relief centers. I would think that anything that can be done to reduce vulnerability to such failures would be desirable. For those with electric heat, or hot-air gas or oil heat requiring electrically-powered blowers to distribute the warmed air, or for those with forced hot water heat, where an electric pump is necessary, or for oil burners that require electric oil pumps, there is no question that the loss of electricity destroys the capability to heat the residence. Only a temporary generator or restoration of electricity will help in those cases. However, for gas-fueled hot water or steam systems which do not use a pump, the ONLY function of electricity is to run the thermostat. This is a trivial usage, yet the system will not work if there is no electricity. I would think that there should be a method of "working around" the loss of electricity for these heating systems. My first thought is to simply attach a car battery in place of the transformer connections that link the heating system to the electrical mains. This would only be a temporary expedient, though. That battery would have to be recharged somehow, not an easy task when there is no power. What I would think would be a better backup system would be a completely mechanical one. It would not have any thermostat, but operate on a time basis. For example, an air-delay dash-pot unit would allow gas to flow for 15 or 30 minutes after manual setting. If the residence has warmed enough by then, you simply don't re-set it until some time passes and the house begins to cool again. If it hasn't warmed up enough, you re-set it and get another 15-30 minutes of heat. Yes, this requires constant manual attention, but that is also a safety feature. The idea is for it not to run unchecked and get too hot. It's no different in principle from having to stoke the coal furnace (which I recall doing as a child). Does anyone know if such a non-electrical system is available, either as a stocked item, or could be assembled from stock parts? Could such a backup system be installed for swich-over use without violating building codes? It would require parallel gas connections to the furnace, one going through the electrically-controlled normal path, and one going through this separate manual-control system (since the elctrically-run path shut-off valve would be closed by the lack of power to hold it open). If this is infeasible, how about a method of bypassing the electrically- controlled portion of the heating system in emergencies? Is there a way to force open an electrically-controlled valve without damaging it, in the abscence of electricity? This hasn't happened to me yet, but it might. I'd like to be prepared, and it is galling to think that such a trivial thing as a control circuit being unpowered would render the entire heating plant useless. Regards, Will Martin USENET: seismo!brl-bmd!wmartin or ARPA/MILNET: wmartin@almsa-1.ARPA