Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!akgua!mcnc!decvax!mit-athena!jc From: jc@mit-athena.ARPA (John Chambers) Newsgroups: net.women,net.flame Subject: Re: MS/Miss/Mrs. Message-ID: <46@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Thu, 24-Jan-85 10:38:46 EST Article-I.D.: mit-athe.46 Posted: Thu Jan 24 10:38:46 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 28-Jan-85 05:07:57 EST References: <1680@sdcrdcf.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 24 Xref: watmath net.women:4264 net.flame:8081 This would be a boring topic, except for one little problem: the double-bind that it imposes on us poor males that want to be cooperative. I mean, when I say "Mrs.", I'm an unregenerate sexist who should have used "Ms."; when I say "Ms.", I'm also wrong because she prefers the correct (read: traditional) term "Mrs." Personally, I'd just as well drop the honorifics entirely, and call everyone by his/her/their/its/your/... very own personal name. But that's hopelessly sexist, too, because women have their fathers' names imposed on them at birth.... How about this suggestion: Everyone who gets upset about being called the wrong name or title make up one of those little signs like they pass out at conventions, meetings and church socials. You know, the ones that say "Hello, I'm ________". If you'd wear it all the time, most people would cooperate and call you by whatever fills in the blank. Granted, this isn't a general solution. I can't read your sign over the network. So maybe you should take care to put the proper honorific in your signature at the end of your article, and I'll try to use it. Most of us will. Of course, there will always be unregenerates among us. We can sic Miss Manners on them when they offend. John Chambers [sic]