Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-jaws!kaiser From: kaiser@jaws.DEC (Pete Kaiser 225-5441 HLO2-1/N10) Newsgroups: net.kids Subject: Re: sleeping through the night Message-ID: <339@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Sat, 26-Jan-85 16:39:39 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.339 Posted: Sat Jan 26 16:39:39 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 28-Jan-85 07:18:21 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 67 > I have a six 1/2 month old baby who still wakes up at night wanting > to eat. She's breastfed and getting cereal and fruit or vegetables > around 7 in the evening. > > I am tired. Most of the people I've asked haven't had the problem, > others have said to let her cry a few nights & break the habit. > Has anyone else out there solved this one? > > Thanks, > Susan Finkelman There are several things here: (a) an infant's sleeping pattern; (b) changing an infant's sleeping pattern; and (c) mother is tired. How I sympathize! At 3 years old, Mimi still doesn't always sleep through the night. Susan, I hope it may be some comfort to you to know that infants differ vastly from each other in how and when they sleep, and it's not just a matter of "habit". We have some friends whose first child, Allie, is a few months older than Mimi. Allie not only slept through the night, but napped several hours a day as well, whereas Mimi not only didn't nap until she was around 2, but was awake from about 8 A.M. often until past 11 P.M., and would wake up several times during the night to nurse. Our friends saw how ragged we were in Mimi's first couple of years -- during that time Mimi may possibly have slept through the night 2 or 3 times -- and had plenty of advice for us, including the one we've all heard: "close the kid's door, turn up the radio/TV, and don't go in for any reason". (This is supposed to "teach" the kid not to cry itself to sleep, and to work in -- folklore has it -- 5 days.) We were simply unwilling to do that; more below. Anyhow, we just stayed tired a lot of the time, since even though Luce was the one doing the nursing at night, I usually woke up too. But we felt good to know that Mimi was getting the loving attention she deserved (not that it wasn't sometimes difficult). Anyhow, our friends had another kid. This one wasn't a sleeper like her sister, and somehow all the good advice we had gotten didn't seem to work for the advisors. One day Luce found herself being asked "What can I do? This baby just won't sleep! How on earth do you take it?" We chose simply not to try to train Mimi to sleep through the night (a position I had to arrive at, since I didn't start there). Why? I'm deeply convinced that you can't "teach" an infant to sleep through the night, not in any adult sense of the word "teach". Luce and I felt that the procedure described above ("close the door ...") is *CONDITIONING*: that we could *CONDITION* Mimi not to expect attention to her needs, but that she wouldn't be learning anything from that. This was the opposite of what we wanted for her, and still want. I hope she feels her needs *WILL* be met, and that as she grows, she'll discover what are "wants" and what are "needs". And although it has been difficult at times, we've found we have the emotional and physical resilience to handle it. One factor in this is that Luce wasn't working at the time, and has worked only part-time since Mimi was born. Another is the undeniable primality of Mimi in our lives. And who knows what else ... I certainly don't. I repeat: it's sometimes hard, and the most difficult times have been between Luce and me over some dumb issue or other because we're stretched to the limit. Most such "issues" from these moments, if not all, have turned out to be unimportant. This has rambled, I realize. What I meant to convey is that your child isn't displaying any abnormality in needing little sleep; that it's a legitimate decision not to try to change that; and that you may find yourself pursuing that direction even if it's difficult. Although I can't, of course, say what our lives would have been like if we had conditioned Mimi to sleep through the night, I'm satisfied with what we've done. So far! ---Pete Kaiser%JAWS.DEC@decwrl.arpa, Kaiser%BELKER.DEC@decwrl.arpa {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|ucbvax}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-jaws!kaiser DEC, 77 Reed Road (HLO2-1/N10), Hudson MA 01749 617/568-5441