Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!akgua!mcnc!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!jlg From: jlg@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.nlang,net.women Subject: Re: Gender-Specific Pronouns Message-ID: <20463@lanl.ARPA> Date: Mon, 28-Jan-85 15:30:17 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.20463 Posted: Mon Jan 28 15:30:17 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Feb-85 11:06:30 EST References: <19971@lanl.ARPA> <786@druxo.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 36 Xref: watmath net.nlang:2510 net.women:4334 > > This is the case of the use of 'they' > >that sounds awkward - because it IS awkward. I wont use it. > > So don't...you won't be the first person to resist change. Languages change in response to the needs of people to communicate with each other in an efficient way. Changes occur because, by growing convention, the new structure conveys the intended meaning more clearly. The use of 'they' with a singular referent does not improve the clarity of the sentence it is in, in fact it degrades the clarity. As such, I will not be the only person to resist its use. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A: Ms. Johnson's secretary says that they will come by tomorrow. B: Are both Ms. Johnson and her secretary coming? A: No, only one person is coming. I just said 'they' because I don't know the gender of Ms. Johnson's secretary. B: Then why didn't you say 'he' as standard English convention requires. We would have saved ourselves a confusing exchange. A: To say 'he' would have been sexist, it would have implied that the secretary was male. B: Nonsense! To say 'she' would have been sexist since it would assume outright that the secretary was female. By convention 'he' means either a male or a person of undetermined sex depending upon context. In this case the context clearly implied the sex was undetermined. It's clumbsy, men should really have their own pronouns, but it works the way it is. To use 'they' is really confusing since it ALWAYS refers to more than one person. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ J. Giles