Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!teddy!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!jlg From: jlg@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: predicting the universe with computers Message-ID: <19974@lanl.ARPA> Date: Mon, 21-Jan-85 16:19:30 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.19974 Posted: Mon Jan 21 16:19:30 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Jan-85 04:30:14 EST References: <1027@sunybcs.UUCP> <215@looking.UUCP> <6861@watdaisy.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 33 > The halting problem states that no Turing machine can be built > that decides whether some other arbitrary Turing machine will halt. > But there is no rule against predicting what a Turing machine will do > for the next little while. The halting problem is more of a comment on > the inadequacy of our logic systems along the lines of Russell's > Paradox, than it is a statement about the universe. > > Turing machines also have the property that they have an infinite > tape. This is the practical problem that one encounters when trying to > build a halt detector. But it has not been shown that the universe is > infinite. In fact I believe that Einstein proved that the universe is > finite. The halting problem is less like Russell's Paradox than it is like Godel's Theroem. It doesn't require the infinite tape of the turing machine, but only that some state variable have unbounded range (I learned a proof of it with only one such variable in an otherwise finite machine with finite input). However, a corollary of the halting problem does imply that no machine can predict its own behaviour, much less the behaviour of anything more complex than itself (even without the unbounded variable). Einstein not only DIDN'T prove the universe finite, he didn't believe it. For a long time Einstein supported the steady-state theory (more because he was a relativist and didn't want to admit that there were special reference times than because he was attached to an infinite duration universe). He even introduced a so-called cosmological constant into his equations for general relativity in order to prevent it from predicting that the universe would expand or contract. When the evidence came that the universe was expanding, Einstein retracted the cosmological constant - calling it the worst error he had ever made (to introduce an idea merely to support his own preconceived beliefs). Still, the universe could be finite or infinite since general relativity doesn't exclude either possibility.