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From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER)
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Libertarianism & basketball
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Date: Mon, 21-Jan-85 09:34:51 EST
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> > Response to a response of Ken Montgomery:
> >the Indians had no concept that you could restrict another's liberty
> >to use or roam the land by claiming something called "ownership".
> >Why should ANYONE be able to claim they own the land?
> >  tim sevener    whuxl!orb
> 
> By that logic, Mr. Sevener, how can *you* claim to own the
> clothes that you are (presumably :-)) wearing?  After all,
> that claim restricts the freedom of others to wear them...
> 
> Ken Montgomery  "Shredder-of-hapless-smurfs"
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That's right ,it certainly does.  Which is why I agree with the European poster
who pointed out that there was a critical difference between anarchism
and libertarianism.  That difference involves the acceptance of the right
to private property under Libertarianism.  An acceptance which takes the
right of private property to its furthest extremes, so that it becomes above
and beyond all other human rights to "life. liberty and the pursuit of 
happiness".  Anarchism , if it were possible, would more truly enhance
people's freedom.  If you want my clothes I'll send them.....
Another poster suggested reading Ursula LeGuin's "The Dispossessed".  I
would strongly urge Libertarians to read that book if they wish to carry
their logic of freedom to a different extreme.
Personally I think anarchism is unrealistic.  But I certainly have more
sympathy with its goals of freedom which imply everyone's freedom to use
goods, than I do with Libertarianism's  callous restriction of freedom to
those with property.
more on this subject later....
      tim sevener   whuxl!orb