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From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER)
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Subject: Re: Re: Cipriani's Withering Away of the State -- Sevener's Straw Man
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Date: Tue, 22-Jan-85 10:33:56 EST
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My response to Mr. Daniel Kian McKiernan:
> 
> [Actually from Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]
> Take some courses on industrial organization and labor-ec before you have the
> audacity to speak of oligopoly, unions, &c; you're not one of those who are
> gifted with economic insight, you'll have to learn from others.  And: No, I
> don't goddamn intend to spend my time teaching you economics.  I will limit
> myself to responding specifically to whatever asinine thing gets typed on your
> keyboard when you tread on my turf.
> 
>           people with an absolute dedication to reason and an unstoppable sense
>           of purpose give their all to make the world right.
> You can go f*** your straw-man.
> 
> 
>   7) Where did the elite get the power to over-ride the market with government
> intervention?  Bribery?  Sure, there was some of that.  But mostly they
> packaged their schemes as REFORM, and people just like YOU voted for it, or for
> the scum who voted for it in congress.  Read *The Triumph of Conservatism* by
> Kolko, or go find a good history of the Federal Reserve System and look up
> Jeckel Island in the index.
> 
>    and b) the mere fact that a form of power has the ability to greatly affect
>           those to whom it is applied does not make that power evil or subject
>           to government control.
> Market power can also be awesome, and (while not nearly to the degree that we
> find in a mixed or fascist economy) there may be some examples of that power
> being concentrated in a capitalist economy.  This does not mean that capitalism
> has generated something evil.  The power to trade, like the power to reason,
> does not fall into the same category as the power to steal, to rape, or to
> kill.  While I have various gripes about Ayn Rand, her book *Atlas Shrugged*
> (amongst other things) makes this point beautifully.
> 
>                                         Disgusted,
>                                         Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan
>                                         9120 Hawthorn Pt
>                                         Westerville, OH  43081-9605

I am glad you are able to reason so clearly and unemotionally.
The world will certainly be a better place when it is ruled by such
magnificent displays of reasons.
tim sevener  whuxl!orb