Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!laura From: laura@utzoo.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: freedom, democracy, etc Message-ID: <4982@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Tue, 29-Jan-85 17:06:08 EST Article-I.D.: utzoo.4982 Posted: Tue Jan 29 17:06:08 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 29-Jan-85 17:06:08 EST References: <630@wucs.UUCP>, <452@whuxl.UUCP> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 38 If Tim Sevener will mail me his address, I will mail him some books. Then, if he reads them, he can discover that libertarins are not a political organisation primarily concerned with ending taxation. On the other hand, if he didn't get that from reading Larry Cipriani's posting of the LP Party Platform, it is probably hopeless. But he wants to talk about wealth redistribution... Here goes again... You have some distribution in mind which you think is ``fair''. So do I. We compare notes and find that they aren't the same. Now we have a problem. There is no way that I am ever going to say that the solution to the problem is to get enough force together to make the dissenting members adopt my solution. If I cannot get you to agree to it, then I cannot -- and I must accept that either my arguments are weak, my presentation is lousy, or you are a fool -- but no matter what is the case, I do not get to get out my club and force you to do what I wish you would do voluntarily. Also, I do not get to organise myself and my freidns into a gang so as to hide the fact that I am using force against you...(Hey, I'm not holding a club...it just the way that it is...) What is it about your distribution scheme that makes it correct for you to force it upon me? Even if the problem is that I am a fool -- why does this change things? Arguemtns which boil down to ``cause I have the might to make it right'' do not work. If this really is the law of the land, then I should just shoot you tomorrow and save myself a lot of trouble. How can you resolve you desire to distribute things with a belief that there is something more to it than ``might makes right''? I tried for years. I couldn't do it. I would love to be able to, but until then I am studying tolerance for people who want things differently than I -- and hope that a good example will go a long way. Laura Creighton utzoo!laura