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From: mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate)
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Subject: Bill Peter as an Authority on the Mind of Wingate
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Date: Fri, 1-Feb-85 18:45:51 EST
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In article <20825@lanl.ARPA> Bill Peter writes:

>As far as I can tell, I was not finding any excuses for folks (of whatever
>religion they may be) who firebomb churches anywhere.  You are right in
>condemning such actions everywhere, especially because of the Jewish moral
>values you uphold.

OK so far....

>The problem is Charley Wingate.  He seems to think that devious
>psychological manipulations of children by uppity proselytizers is
>o.k. (spread the good news and all that), and if some extreme Jews
>or Muslims retaliate, he writes it into net.religion showing how
>bad they are.

I don't care if they protest, I don't care if they try to have the church
moved, but I DO mind firebombing things, no matter who.  The problem is that
these people feel that they are justified in bombing churches, a fact which
no amount of personal attacks will erase.

>In case you think this is an isolated incident, I was just reading in
>an Israeli newspaper (Yediot Achronot) about two students from Oral
>Roberts University in the U.S.A. who have admitted being in an anti-Jewish
>proselytizing program.  The program was set up by the University to send
>a fixed number of students to kibbutzim in Israel each year, and to train
>these students in how to "bring the Jews to Jesus."  Probably when the
>Israeli government refuses to grant lengthy visas to these people, Charley
>Wingate will broadcast it all across the net.

Mr. Peter should restrain his speculations.  I don't believe that ORU's
actions are ethical.  Mr. Peter is, as usual, reading too much into my
silence; I simply was not aware of their actions (although I do not find it
suprising).  As for the implication he makes that Israel has the right, nay,
the duty to protect jewish culture/religion from the christians: the same
argument justifies a christian nation (such as Britain) acting to supress
non-christian groups.

Besides, are the minds of jewish children so fragile that they have to be
protected from those evil christian missionaries?  :-)  I find it interesting
that Mr. Peter does not condemn the continual brainwashing against christian
mores that we see in this country.  Would Mr. Peter care to issue a
statement?

Charley Wingate   umcp-cs!mangoe

Omnis mundus jocudetur nato salvatore.