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From: wkp@lanl.ARPA
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Subject: Re: A short essay on tolerance
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Date: Fri, 1-Feb-85 11:05:19 EST
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Posted: Fri Feb  1 11:05:19 1985
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> I fail to see why some of my co-religionists are finding all sorts of
> excuses for folks who firebombed a church in Jerusalem.  The neighbors
> don't like it -- so what?  Lots of Cossacks, Poles, Germans, *Arabs*,
> etc., haven't liked having Jewish neighbors.  Many whites have objected
> to blacks moving in next door.  It is very difficult to claim the moral
> high ground when others discriminate against Jews, but be silent when
> Jews are discriminating against Christians (to say nothing of resorting
> to violence).  I for one will not remain silent; I will condemn such
> as often and as loudly as I condemn synagogue bombings, cross burnings,
> and other acts of bigotry.
> 
> 		--Steve Bellovin

As far as I can tell, I was not finding any excuses for folks (of whatever
religion they may be) who firebomb churches anywhere.  You are right in
condemning such actions everywhere, especially because of the Jewish moral
values you uphold.

The problem is Charley Wingate.  He seems to think that devious
psychological manipulations of children by uppity proselytizers is
o.k. (spread the good news and all that), and if some extreme Jews
or Muslims retaliate, he writes it into net.religion showing how
bad they are.

In case you think this is an isolated incident, I was just reading in
an Israeli newspaper (Yediot Achronot) about two students from Oral
Roberts University in the U.S.A. who have admitted being in an anti-Jewish
proselytizing program.  The program was set up by the University to send
a fixed number of students to kibbutzim in Israel each year, and to train
these students in how to "bring the Jews to Jesus."  Probably when the Israeli
government refuses to grant lengthy visas to these people, Charley Wingate
will broadcast it all across the net.
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bill peter
!cmcl2!lanl!wkp

happened to get homesick, and asked to be taken out of the pro
set up by the University.  Ostensibly, the University on summer pr
logi
manipulations on children
reason gets his kicks in this particular way)