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Subject: Re: When is the Sabbath?
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Date: Tue, 22-Jan-85 10:17:54 EST
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The questions about the proper brachot to make at a Shabbat afternoon 
seder don't have good answers because they start from such a peculiar
premise. You can't properly begin the seder until after havdalah.
Questions as to the proper thing to do after violating that first injunction
are like asking for the right way to slaughter a pig to make it kosher.

Also, Tu B'Shevat is in summer in the southern hemisphere. (And it seems as
reasonable to me to have it then, with the trees in full greenery as it
does to have is in the dead of winter with the trees dormant and the
ground frozen. Really the whole thing is keyed to Eretz Yisrael anyway.)

And last, no, I never got anything about Jesus and the Noachic laws.

Susan Slusky

> There's also the matter of the Jewish holidays Down Under.  Is it proper to
> celebrate Sukkot as a Harvest Festival in the spring?  Tu Bi-Shevat in
> the autumn?
> 
> One interesting problem I myself had to cope with was the Second Seder
> on Saturday afternoon.  My husband's parents gave a Second Seder Saturday
> well before sunset.  Does one say the Sabbath-keyed prayers in the
> Hagaddah, decide that it's "virtually" Saturday night and therefore do the
> Havdalah portions of the Hagaddah, or decide that since the Sabbath-keyed
> prayers were said yesterday (at the First Seder) and the Havdalah prayers
> aren't appropriate yet, one does the normal weekday Seder?
> 
> --Lee Gold
> 
> PS  Did my message explaining that Jesus, far from being an observant Jew,
> didn't even follow the Noachic commandments make it to the net?
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