Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!mcnc!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-nanook!alpert From: alpert@nanook.DEC Newsgroups: net.taxes Subject: Re: felonies in Chicago Message-ID: <446@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Sat, 2-Feb-85 04:04:53 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.446 Posted: Sat Feb 2 04:04:53 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 4-Feb-85 05:21:37 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 67 Regarding the indictments in Chicago... I don't believe the person who gave the seminar mentioned was Schiff. Schiff's argument is NOT that the tax laws are unconstitutional, but that they are carefully crafted to avoid conflict with the Constitution. In doing this, the authors of the IRS Code (according to Schiff) had to leave out a few minor details, such as mandating income tax returns and making anyone liable for an income tax. To date, despite the fact that the IRS has wanted Schiff's hide for the past decade, they have never attempted to prosecute him for violation of sections 6701 or 7302 of the IRS code. These impose penalties on any individual who advises others to pay less taxes than they are liable for. Section 7302 also makes it illegal to possess any property intended to be used to violate "the provisions of the IRS laws", and provides for the confiscation of such material. Therefore, I would be very surprised if Schiff were involved in this situation. BTW, the "things IRS Won't Tell You" articles have tapered off primarily because we have examined most of the basic points. I'll post updates and items of interest as I receive them (the current Schiff Report has more information on the IRS "Notice of Levy" which I will post shortly). In the meantime, this short piece from a past Schiff Report: ------------- MAKE 'EM PAY! (based on Schiff Report article of January, 1984) ------------- (This piece of information was discovered and used by a resident of Montgomery, Alabama.) All those who are summoned to produce books and records (pursuant to section 7602) are entitled to monetary reimbursement. Section 7610 of the Code covers "fees and costs for witnesses". The public, however, has been thrown off by subsection (b) which states that "No payment may be made... if the person with respect to whose liability the summons is issued has a proprietary interest in the books, papers...". This would seem to indicate that if it were *our* books and records that were being summoned (as opposed to material summoned from third-parties) that we are barred from being reimbursed under this provision. However, close inspection of the Code reveals that subsection (b) (where this exception occurs) *only* applies to payments "made under paragraph (2) of subsection (a)". The exception *does not* apply to "fees and mileage" provided under Section 7610(a)(1). In this case, payment was demanded (and received) under this provision. A letter was written to the IRS requesting reimbursement "pursuant to Sec. 7610, paragraph (1) of subsection (a)". In the IRS's reply, the District Director (Philip J. Sullivan) stated that "you are entitled to the reimbursement for witness and mileage fees under section 7610 of the Internal Revenue Code", and enclosed a form to fill out to obtain the reimbursement (form #1157). ======================================================================= === The Schiff Report is published by Freedom Books, P.O. Box 5303, === === Hamden, CT 06518 === ======================================================================= Bob Alpert ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-nanook!alpert