Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site randvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcs!lsuc!pesnta!hplabs!sdcrdcf!randvax!edhall From: edhall@randvax.UUCP (Ed Hall) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: What's degrading? Message-ID: <2285@randvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Feb-85 13:40:30 EST Article-I.D.: randvax.2285 Posted: Mon Feb 4 13:40:30 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 7-Feb-85 09:44:12 EST Organization: Rand Corp., Santa Monica Lines: 19 A point to ponder: the camera itself can be an instrument of degradation. To take one's clothes off or to engage in particular sexual acts isn't the degrading thing--it's the camera that makes such things degrading. There is something fundamentally different between written and photographic pornography. A photograph of someone turns them into an object. That's the nature of photography, more so than any other pictorial art. Through the photograph, the photographic subject becomes completely passive. Once a picture is taken, that image can be used any way someone possessing it sees fit. Primitive cultures almost uniformly fear being photographed, as they feel that part of their essence is somehow being captured by the photographer. What does all this have to do with pornography? Just this: you don't have to show that sex and nudity are degrading to say that photographs of them are. -Ed Hall decvax!randvax!edhall