Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site unm-cvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!unm-cvax!cs2534ai From: cs2534ai@unm-cvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.micro.mac Subject: Re: Mac numeric keypad Message-ID: <221@unm-cvax.UUCP> Date: Mon, 4-Feb-85 12:29:42 EST Article-I.D.: unm-cvax.221 Posted: Mon Feb 4 12:29:42 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 9-Feb-85 05:36:34 EST References: <2290@nsc.UUCP> <> Reply-To: cs2534ai@unm-cvax.UUCP (David Thomas) Distribution: net.micro.mac Organization: Univ. of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 51 Keywords: numeric keypad macterm vt100 Summary: not same as regular numbers In article <> sahunt@snow.UUCP (Steve Hunt) writes: >I don't know much about either the Mac or the vt100, but presumably shifted >numeric-pad keys (on the vt100) produce the same symbols as on the normal >shifted numeric keys. If this is the case why not just solder the switches >of a numeric pad in parralel with the switches of the top row of the mac >keyboard? It's got to be cheaper than buying the Apple add-on keypad, and >your Emacs should work as with the 100. I have worked with both vt100s and macs, and the numeric keypad behaves differently from the corresponding keys on the main keyboard. (If you have macterm, the mac's numeric keypad behaved just like the vt's, and you can simulate the vt's arrow keys by shifting [or not shifting, I forget which] certain keypad keys.) One notable feature of the numeric keypad is that the shift key has no effect on keypad numbers. Also, the vt (and mac in macterm) can be popped into "alternate keypad mode" (with the code "=", I believe), which causes the keypad keys to send specialized escape codes instead of their usual characters. Dec's software uses those a lot, although I don't know that emacs does. Finally, on GIGI terminals, all of the numeric keypad keys plus the arrow keys are user programmable, as well as being able to operate in "Norm"al or "Appl"ied modes (setup KP), as on the vt100. I recommend going ahead and buying the apple keypad. Macterm already uses the extra keys as a vt does, and the mac obviously CAN tell the difference. New mac software may use these keys (with layovers, possibly) for special functions. I hope this info is useful to someone out there... -DT [The Deranged Terrestrial] ----- Phone: (505) 266-1016 USnail: David B. Thomas / 1406 Calle Del Ranchero NE / Albuquerque, NM 87106 Work: Rocky Mountain Computers (apple dealer) 2109 Wyoming Blvd. NE Albuquerque, NM 87112 Work Phone: (505) 292-2775 ask for "-DT" UUCP: {{purdue,cmc12,ihnp4}!lanl,ucbvax}!unmvax!unm-cvax!cs2534ai ----- vt100 is a trademark of Digital Equipment Corporation Mac is a trademark of MacDonanlds Family Restaurants -DT is a trademark of Deetmire Software, Inc. ----- "Remember, Anna, sometimes a banana is just a banana."