Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site spp1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!rochester!rocksvax!parcvax!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwspp!spp1!johnston From: johnston@spp1.UUCP (Micheal L. Johnston) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Animals and people, which feels what. Message-ID: <166@spp1.UUCP> Date: Fri, 22-Feb-85 11:24:29 EST Article-I.D.: spp1.166 Posted: Fri Feb 22 11:24:29 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 28-Feb-85 01:18:51 EST References: <1115@hcrvx1.UUCP> Organization: TRW, Redondo Beach CA Lines: 38 > From what I can tell about pre-babies, they don't see time as a "human" > would. Isn't this the basic premise upon which all types of rasiscm is found. The thought that others do not "measure up" to what is norm. You correctly quoted the word human since biologically it is one as we are. > They have no notions about it other than the here and now. All > I know is that some time after birth, they develop a sense of time, and > an understanding of their future. Birth is the latest point where we can > recognize that that sense is lacking. So, I have no trouble with allowing > abortions of pre-babies. Do you believe that, before a child utters a word, he has no concept of words? Do you think that a neon sign lights up upon each stage of development? Do you think there is any possiblity that a child may have developed a sense of time and an understanding of future in a way that no words could express? And if there were words, what with his immature vocal capabilities and irregular body movements, would his inability to express the concept seal his doom. > Tracy Tims ihnp4!utzoo!hcr!hcrvx1!tracy > Human Computing Resources Corporation utcsri!hcr!hcrvx1!tracy > Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 416 922-1937 dciem!hcr!hcrvx1!tracy You use phrases such as "From what I can tell..." and "All I know is..." implying views from your limited perception. Easy, we all have limited perceptions. That's why conscientious hunters don't shoot at moving bushes. You also said ".. sometime after birth..." implying uncertainties. From the midst of all this misgiving, You see nothing wrong with abortion. But if your perceptions are wrong, (we all must face that possibility), you would be inflicting pain, an atrocity from your points previous. Let's be sure. Mike Johnston