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From: syslab@ihuxn.UUCP (g.v.  stoneberg)
Newsgroups: net.women,net.flame
Subject: Re: MS/Miss/Mrs.
Message-ID: <976@ihuxn.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 26-Feb-85 13:24:02 EST
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Posted: Tue Feb 26 13:24:02 1985
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> In article <265@celerity.UUCP> ron@celerity.UUCP ( McDaniels) writes:
> >In article <539@wlcrjs.UUCP> zubbie@wlcrjs.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck) writes:
> >>	MY LOGNAME/NICKNAME/* is  zubbie.
> >				. . .
> >>. . . I worked there a while also and was then known
> >>as little zubbie, is perhaps as non-gender specific as I care to get.
> >>I also answer the phone on my desk as "ZUBBIE". People are then free
> >>to either get on with business, now having a handle by which to communicate
> >>with me or they can . . .
> >
> >They can get on with business unless they are laughing too hard.
> >
> >Why? Are there any Arabs out there that would like to tell Ms. Zobjeck what a
> >zubbie is?
> >
> >Thanks for such a cleverly worded article! "little zubbie", "non-gender", "having a handle". You should have cross posted to net.jokes.
> >
> >McD 
> >
> >{decvax || ucbvax || ihnp4 || akgua || philabs}!sdcsvax!celerity!ron


Somehow my part of this article never made it past the GIANT LINE EATER.

	To date I have followed the discussion on this topic and added
several constructive, I hope, comments. There has been hardly any
comment or feedback on my thoughts which is not unusual. What I do find
as ironic is that the only comment to what seemed like a fair example
of how to deal with the situation in a sensible and comfortable
manner (one which might even increase productivity though easing of
tensions and facilitiating intelligent communication) draws what I
can only place in the same category with some men I have been forced
to work with. The attitude is one of humor her and she will go away
or perhaps maybe "She's just trying to be cute....lets patronize
her and then we can get on with serious things which she is, by her
nature as a woman, not able to cope with or understand.

	WELL **MR McD** (If you arent a male then Ill eat my hat)
I want to thank you for helping me point up some of the attitudes
which working women have to cope with. It is your style of ignorant
behaviour and thinking which has worked to keep women down for so long.
If a condescending F*RT like you feels justified in treating anyones,
male or female, ideas like the tag end of a feeble joke then I really
pity you. In a few more years the advances of women in the working
world will have placed us on more than just an equal footing with men.
Most likely women will move into the work place as full competitors
judged on the merit of their work and their ability to perform the
job. By these standards it is very likely that women will become the
power holders of the working world.
	What was that old sexist/ethnic joke about the race/sex/religious
persuassion of the best doctors?? Think about it. If any individual or
group is forced to learn how to attain their goals the hard way the 
quality of those who survive is bound to be superior to the even the best
of the individual or group whose path to the same objective was not
nearly so festooned with hinderance.
	YES, I really want to thank you for being where you are because
I now know that I at least will be that much better once I get where I
am going because I had to do it against all that you and people like
you were trying to do to keep me down.

Jeanette L.Zobjeck
       wlcrjs!
ihnp4!<       >zubbie
       ihlpa!

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From the Mostly Vacant Environment of Jeanette L. Zobjeck

All opinions expressed are definitely my own and subject to shrinkage
if washed in hot water.
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