Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site mhuxr.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mfs From: mfs@mhuxr.UUCP (SIMON) Newsgroups: net.music,net.music.classical Subject: Re: Progress, the Arts, and Razor Blades Message-ID: <262@mhuxr.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Feb-85 17:16:38 EST Article-I.D.: mhuxr.262 Posted: Wed Feb 27 17:16:38 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Mar-85 07:25:11 EST References: <8347@brl-tgr.ARPA> <109@spar.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 29 Xref: watmath net.music:6271 net.music.classical:929 > >> 2) Is there 'progress' in the arts? > >>Of course not. Arts are made by people, and people never change. > > >Are you for real? > > Is the music of Olivier Messaien, John Lee Hooker, or Iggy Pop more > emotionally moving than that of Josquin Dez Prez or Monteverdi? Are the > paintings of Matisse or Piet Mondrian more effective than those of > Vermeer? > However, the arts to evolve, progress if you will, in that past conventions are discarded, modified or replaced by new conventions. The rhythmic drive and unconventional harmony of an Ornette Coleman DOES represent progress over the unaccented 4/4 of a Louis Armstrong. This does not demean the colossal genius of Armstrong, but Coleman has clearly traveled further down the road of musical discovery. If that's not progress, then I don't know what is. > The arts, of course, must change in response to the techniques and > fashions of the time, as well as to the natural creative drives of > artists who feel constrained by the past. And sometimes, when we are > lucky, the genius of the past is recreated in a new image. > Genius is never recreated. It is built upon by new genius. > -michael Marcel