Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.6.2.17 $; site ccvaxa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!whuxlm!whuxl!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!ccvaxa!lipp From: lipp@ccvaxa.UUCP Newsgroups: net.music.classical Subject: Re: Some (serious) discussion topics Message-ID: <55600008@ccvaxa.UUCP> Date: Fri, 15-Feb-85 17:30:00 EST Article-I.D.: ccvaxa.55600008 Posted: Fri Feb 15 17:30:00 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 18-Feb-85 04:23:54 EST References: <335@gargoyle.UUCP> Lines: 51 Nf-ID: #R:gargoyle:-33500:ccvaxa:55600008:000:2023 Nf-From: ccvaxa!lipp Feb 15 16:30:00 1985 [reply to carnes@gargoyle] >(First, an addendum to my previous comments about stretto fugues: I forgot >to mention the C-sharp major fugue in Book II of the WTC. The *exposition* >of this fugue is a stretto, and the third voice is inverted! Sorry to be a pest, but it would be a paradox to have stretto in a fugal exposition... Two ideas to unravelling this paradox. First, the end of the subject is defined by a fresh entry of the subject in a new voice. (This entry is technically called the "answer".) The procedure looks (sounds) like this: voice1 SSSScscs voice2 SSSS time---> The continuation of voice1 after voice2 enters is called the "counter subject"(cs in the figure.) Second, stretto is the entire subject placed in juxtaposition with another occurance of the subject. Another figure: voice1 SSSS voice2 SSSS time---> At the beginning of a fugue the material is presented; stretto is the dynamic *use* of material. The two can't happen together. Now by this definition of a subject, the fugue under discussion has a four note subject (pretty slim some might say). The subject and the countersubject can't be grouped together to give a "properly" long subject because the subject-countersubject pair only appear a few times and only in the first half of the piece. Fugue subjects need to pop up as entire things throughout the work. The subject, small as it is, does appear throughout the piece, many times in inversion, and also in stretto. Bar four (if I remember correctly) is the first case, and this is after the cadence that marks the end of the exposition section. Admittedly, this piece is far from an easy or "correct" fugal composition. In fact, it's more of a fugal fantasy because of the florid passage work in the second half and the enlargement of the texture to four and five voices at the final cadence. You've got it right that Bach's the most interesting when he's farthest from a textbook example. Charles Lipp, Gould, CSD--Urbana.....stop in for a beer