Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site hound.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!cbdkc1!desoto!packard!edsel!bentley!hoxna!houxm!hound!rfg From: rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) Newsgroups: net.music,net.music.classical Subject: Re: Progress, the Arts, Razor Blades and Bull Message-ID: <963@hound.UUCP> Date: Wed, 27-Feb-85 17:38:29 EST Article-I.D.: hound.963 Posted: Wed Feb 27 17:38:29 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Mar-85 08:13:44 EST References: <8347@brl-tgr.ARPA>, <109@spar.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 17 Xref: watmath net.music:6279 net.music.classical:930 [] Of course there is progress in the arts. If you accept any conventional definition of progress. Arts are made by people using tools and the tools improve. What if Leonardo had available the paints we have today. That doesn't make our painters Leonardos, but given equal talent (almost never happens - or hasn't happened yet) more can be done by the artist with the better tools. What if a Leonardo or a Titian could work in the present audio-visual arts? Furthermore, I assert that the works of Leonardo (practically a modern) are in every way superior to those of "Ugh, the Nut" well known neanderthal artist of the middle period. Of course all of Ugh's works have disappeared while Leonardos have not, but that's progress for you. -- "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg