Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site allegra.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!allegra!dep From: dep@allegra.UUCP (Dewayne Perry) Newsgroups: net.music,net.music.classical Subject: Re: Progress, the Arts, Razor Blades and Bull Message-ID: <3096@allegra.UUCP> Date: Thu, 28-Feb-85 13:49:38 EST Article-I.D.: allegra.3096 Posted: Thu Feb 28 13:49:38 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Mar-85 20:34:26 EST References: <8347@brl-tgr.ARPA>, <109@spar.UUCP> <963@hound.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 26 Xref: watmath net.music:6294 net.music.classical:935 Given some (esthetic?) standard of what represents the high point in the arts, you can talk of progress towards that goal and decline from it as well. The problem seems to be that the definition of the standard keeps changing in the arts (as in other fields as well). There certainly seems to be devlopment along particular lines of thought (eg, the romantic development from von Weber - or Beethoven - through to Scriabin) where there is nothing more to be done, youve taken that line as far as it can go. In one sense you can call that progress. But what do you call the jump from the height of romanticism to the atonality of Schoenberg, etc. That is really taking a different path. Further, while I am willing to admit that there may be some sense of development from the earlier to the later, that has very little to do with which I prefer. So, it seems to me that one could say that there has not been progress but regress. I'll settle for exploration and development of different musical theories. I am not sure that you can make a case for progress in the underlying theories at all, though there is very much the flavor of constant revaluation of works of art in the light of different esthetic theories. Esthetically yours - Dewayne