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From: johnston@spp1.UUCP (Micheal L. Johnston)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: Re: Creation / Evolution Debate
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Date: Thu, 21-Feb-85 11:14:47 EST
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> In article <32500023@uiucdcsb.UUCP> miller@uiucdcsb.UUCP writes:
> > 
> > 1) ICR is not, and never has been, a membership organization.  Hence, any
> > discussion by the evolutionists of membership qualifications/characteristics
> > is moot.
> > 
> > 2) ...  a creation/evolution DEBATE here on campus.  You are all
> > invited.  It will be on Tuesday, Feb. 19, at 7:30pm in Lincoln Hall Theater
> > here on campus.  The speakers will be Dr. Duane Gish from the Institute for
> > Creation Research and ...
> > 
> > A. Ray Miller
> > Univ Illinois
> 
> FOUL -- doublespeak.
> 
> This is a severe case of Intellectual Dishonesty!
> 
> In view of (1), exactly in what sense is Dr. Gish FROM the ICR (2)?  Indeed,
> perhaps we all are from the ICR!  Maybe he lives there.  What kind of
> organization is it anyway?  You will not tell me that the ICR does not
> endorse him, or contrariwise that his being a member (or *whatever*) does
> not show his endorsement of that "organization."  Will you?
> 
> You have to respect truth before you can champion Truth.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Stan Switzer      |  "I'm just looking for an honest man."
> ihnp4!u1100s!sjs  |      -- Diogenes


Maybe I can clear this up. There is no doubt that Duane Gish is a member
of the ICR and that he endorses it as it endorses him. Although you took
Miller's point in its entirety, it needs the context of the recent
postings to this group for its meaning. Lately people have stated
(although if they're not members of the ICR, they're sooting in the dark)
that membership in the ICR and professing to be Jewish or Christian were
synonymous. I'm sure, my apologies if wrong, that Miller is simply stating
that membership is open to those who have a desire to research creationism
as a viable answer to the origin question and not based on other criteria.

			Mike Johnston