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From: fagin@ucbvax.ARPA (Barry Steven Fagin)
Newsgroups: net.politics,net.politics.theory
Subject: Taxation, coercion, reply back to Tim
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Date: Thu, 14-Feb-85 13:52:47 EST
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Posted: Thu Feb 14 13:52:47 1985
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References: <4759@ucbvax.ARPA> <478@whuxl.UUCP>
Reply-To: fagin@ucbvax.UUCP (Barry Steven Fagin)
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Summary: 

In article <478@whuxl.UUCP> orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) writes:
>
>The government does not *own* the property in question - rather it provides
>the definitions and defense of what property is in the first place.
>Without government to defend the right of private property there would
>be no property but what the strong seized from those unable to defend
>themselves. ... 

>Even the classical economic philosophers like Adam Smith and others
>realized that some form of government was necessary in order to
>allow free markets to exist.  Otherwise we would wind up with piracy.

I agree!  If you reread my original posting, you'll find that it says
nothing about abolishing government.  Hope you didn't want to debate that
point, because I'll concede it outright.

The point of my letter, which I thought I made clear, was simply that taxation 
is coercive.  That seemed to me to be a productive starting point for
further discussion.  I hope further postings prove me right.

>            tim sevener    whuxl!orb

>	--Barry


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Barry Fagin @ University of California, Berkeley