Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site tty3b.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mgnetp!ltuxa!tty3b!mjk From: mjk@tty3b.UUCP (Mike Kelly) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Unions, Management and Japan : Reply to Jeff Sonntag Message-ID: <609@tty3b.UUCP> Date: Sat, 16-Feb-85 19:31:12 EST Article-I.D.: tty3b.609 Posted: Sat Feb 16 19:31:12 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 19-Feb-85 06:33:34 EST References: <509@decwrl.UUCP> <602@mhuxt.UUCP> <479@whuxl.UUCP> Organization: Teletype Corp., Skokie, Ill Lines: 26 Another argument re: Japanese competition is that it was U.S. postwar policy that allowed the Japanese and the Germans to get where they are today. Basically, the U.S. made the decision that it was in its security interests to have strong friendly powers in Europe and the Far East, so they allowed these nations to play outside the normal rules of international markets. In the case of Europe, it was the massive subsidy for rebuilding of the industrial plant. In the case of Japan, it was not only that, but also a pass on international trade parity. Japan was allowed to maintain very strong control of its internal markets while having free access to markets in the U.S. The arguments Jeff Sonntag raised in his note are the familiar anti-union cant. Productivity among unionized workers is higher than among non-unionized workers, and the wage differentials, as Tim Severner began to point out, are greatly exaggerated for political reasons in the U.S. Never factored in are the value of job security and practically free vacations that the U.S. worker doesn't get. Furthermore, if you want to blame unions for our troubles, you must explain why other countries with much higher rates of unionization do quite well economically. And some do not nearly as well. The unions do not seem to be a determining factor of industry health. Mike Kelly