Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 8/23/84; site ucbcad.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!ucbcad!faustus From: faustus@ucbcad.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: Freedom, coercion, and free markets (III) Message-ID: <99@ucbcad.UUCP> Date: Wed, 13-Feb-85 23:13:37 EST Article-I.D.: ucbcad.99 Posted: Wed Feb 13 23:13:37 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 15-Feb-85 05:35:48 EST References: <328@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <4793@ucbvax.ARPA> Organization: UC Berkeley CAD Group, Berkeley, CA Lines: 22 > >Suppose A offers something that B must have -- water when he is > >stranded in the desert -- but at an exorbitant price. Is he not then > >coerced? > > Yes, he is not then coerced. So what if A again offers B something that he must have -- that A not shoot him -- at great price? This is coercion. But I don't see much difference. (Unless you want to say that it is a difference between doing and not doing something, in which case I'll think of some more examples. But you probably get the idea.) The problem is that you seem to be fixing an entire ethical and political system on on idea -- coercion -- when it isn't even that well defined. I haven't seen anybody explain exactly why coercion is the worst possible evil, except maybe to the "ethical relativism" argument, which doesn't hold water. Does anybody want to define "coercion" properly for me and explain why it is so bad? (Don't get me wrong -- I don't think it is a good idea, but absolute freedom of will doesn't seem to be a likely candidate for the ultimate good, either.) Wayne