Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site topaz.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!columbia!topaz!josh From: josh@topaz.ARPA (J Storrs Hall) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Hard case #1 Message-ID: <695@topaz.ARPA> Date: Tue, 19-Feb-85 02:30:28 EST Article-I.D.: topaz.695 Posted: Tue Feb 19 02:30:28 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 21-Feb-85 05:20:22 EST References: <257@cmu-cs-k.ARPA> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 23 >The hard case referred to in the subject is this. Does a starving (or sick) >person without financial resources have the right to steal the food (or >medicine) that will sustain his or her life? >Tim Maroney, Carnegie-Mellon University Computation Center Yes. The operative word here is steal. If I am really so bad off that I must steal to live, then I steal. If I am caught, I still deserve a reasonable punishment for stealing; but I'm still alive--ahead of the game. I had better be damn sure that I don't do something in the process of stealing that is "worth my life"; threaten someone with deadly force, for example. I would then have no moral grounds whatsoever (I don't believe you have a right to kill (innocent people) to survive). No system of morals can be correct if it requires someone to be merely a means for someone else's ends. Thus we cannot allow the starving thief to live off people without reprisal (as in a Socialist system). Neither can we do the reverse--we cannot kill the thief merely for stealing. The punishment must fit the crime. Thus if you are in a need more desperate than the punishment, justice is still served. --JoSH