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Subject: Re: Taxation is theft?
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Date: Tue, 19-Feb-85 21:20:35 EST
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> > People do this sort of thing all the time.  There are numerous organizations,
> > clubs, political parties, lodges, etc. in existance all the time.  NONE of
> > them can vote to extract payment from members or non-members against that
> > person's will.

> My undersatnding of many of these types of organizations is that they have a
> set of by-laws (sp?) that can be ammended through different processes.
> There is no reason why they couldn't institute any non-discriminatory (as
> defined by state and federal law) act or law upon the membership.

The organizations can pass no laws, rules, or regulations which violate the
laws of the state which superceeds them.  Once again, stick to the original
scenario: being robbed on the train by a group larger than your own.  Even
if this group constituted a mini-government, it can pass no regulations
which are in contradiction to the laws of the federal, state, and local
governments which have jurisdiction over the train.  Of course, a casual
collection of people DOES NOT constitute a mini-government anyway.

> The "victim"
> has no recourse except leaving the organization.
> 
> BTW, even if your statement was true (which I obviously don't think it is)
> what about the organizational type you left out that DOES do this, trade
> unions?

Membership in a trade union is voluntary.  Even in those brain-damaged
places that don't have right-to-work laws, you can leave a trade union by
changing professions.  Even so, trade unions can force members to surrender
dues only because the government lets them (closed shop laws).  If the
government outlawed this (right-to-work laws), the unions would only be
able to collect dues from those people who volunteered to join.

J. Giles