Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!lanl!jlg From: jlg@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Hard case #1 Message-ID: <21863@lanl.ARPA> Date: Tue, 19-Feb-85 22:25:15 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.21863 Posted: Tue Feb 19 22:25:15 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 21-Feb-85 05:40:19 EST References: <257@cmu-cs-k.ARPA> <695@topaz.ARPA> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 17 > I had better be damn sure that I don't do something in the process of > stealing that is "worth my life"; threaten someone with deadly force, > for example. I would then have no moral grounds whatsoever (I don't > believe you have a right to kill (innocent people) to survive). Is someone 'innocent' if he is refusing you the food you need to survive? It seems to me that any force used to prevent the starving thief from getting food is potentially lethal force. Is the thief justified in using lethal force in response to this? I don't know the answer to this. I prefer a society which tries to prevent stavation to the point of theft, even if this society has to remove wealth from people involuntarily to do it. After all, an orderly taxation system is at least more peaceful than midnight confrontations between starving thieves and property holders. Besides, the starving thief doesn't steal from the rich, but only from those people that can't afford a security system. J. Giles