Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes From: carnes@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Libertarianism as ideology Message-ID: <342@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Wed, 20-Feb-85 14:49:58 EST Article-I.D.: gargoyle.342 Posted: Wed Feb 20 14:49:58 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 22-Feb-85 20:26:18 EST Organization: U. Chicago - Computer Science Lines: 65 Tim Maroney writes: >Is there anyone else out there who finds it more than a little suspicious >that the main preoccupation of most Libertarians seems to be finding reasons >they don't have to pay taxes? By "suspicious" I mean casting doubt on the >idea that Libertarianism proceeds from well-defined premises to conclusions >unobvious from those premises, and suggesting that perhaps a significant >number of Libertarians are motivated by a desire to increase their personal >wealth regardless of social consequences. As a confessed socialist, I don't believe that most libertarians are motivated primarily by a desire to increase their personal wealth, although this might be the practical effect of libertarian policies. Rather, the motivation is to justify the existing order of society, characterized by class domination. The power of government to tax is a threat to this social order, since it threatens its basis, the "rights" (really privileges) of property. Hence libertarians attempt to establish property rights as sacred and absolute, and from this it follows that taxation is an unjust violation of property rights, or "theft." This also answers Wayne's question as to why coercion, or more precisely the initiation of coercion, is an absolute evil for libertarians, since this principle also defends property. It ignores the fact that the existing distribution of wealth was arrived at via a colossal amount of coercion in the past, and assumes that there is some way of knowing what counts as an "initiation" of coercion. Another way of seeing the ideological character of libertarianism is to consider the fact that libertarians nowhere give a clear demarcation of the proper limits of legitimate state action. The closest Nozick comes, as far as I know, is to say that the state is properly limited "to the functions of protecting all its citizens against violence, theft, and fraud, and to the enforcement of contracts, and so on." But a mere list followed by "and so on" does not give us a principle by which we can determine if a given action by the state is justifiable. Many libertarians say that national defense, the protection of national security, is one of the few legitimate functions of the state. Sounds good until you try to determine whether a given policy fits under the heading of "national defense." For example, libertarians like to say that roads should be privately owned -- are they not aware that the Interstate Highway System was established by the National Defense Highway Act? There is hardly any activity or industry that is not somehow related to national security. In particular, I think that welfare state policies and government regulation of business may promote our national security in at least one way, by giving the lower classes a stake in the protection of our society. If I'm not mistaken, such policies have been justified in wartime on these grounds. But I think libertarians would draw the line at promoting the welfare state in order to protect national security. And this shows why they have to fudge when it comes to defining the proper limits of state action: the real principle to which they adhere is a hidden one, namely, the actions which are forbidden to the state are THOSE TAKEN IN THE NAME OF SOCIAL JUSTICE. I would describe libertarians as well-intentioned but naive. One of the appeals of libertarianism is that it is basically a simple philosophy, hence ideal for simple minds. Once libertarianism is accepted, you do not have to think very hard about the tough questions of society and politics. Look at the Libertarian Party platform. Whatever the social problem, the solution is the same: the government should stop trying to solve it, and everything will be fine. Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes