Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lanl.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!jlg From: jlg@lanl.ARPA Newsgroups: net.politics,net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Lawyers in Libertaria (attn. Baba & Dan) Message-ID: <22424@lanl.ARPA> Date: Tue, 26-Feb-85 13:54:39 EST Article-I.D.: lanl.22424 Posted: Tue Feb 26 13:54:39 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 1-Mar-85 09:20:25 EST References: <895@ratex.UUCP> <699@unmvax.UUCP> Sender: newsreader@lanl.ARPA Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 31 Xref: watmath net.politics:7873 net.politics.theory:273 > > > ... the legal code would be so much easier to understand it would > > > be inconceivable that a lawyer's prowess would enter into the play. > > Is it really that hard to imagine a judicial system where the smartest lawyer > didn't win (unlike what happens today)? or did you not understand the meaning > of prowess in that sentence? I would think that anyone would favor such a > system. Even if you believe it to be impossible, isn't it more likely that > a system with fewer laws and a less powerful government would have a fairer > legal system than one that is clogged with victimless crime laws? What do victimless crime laws have to do with the question at issue? Even if you had a infinite number of 'victimless' crime laws, noone would pay the least bit of attention to them in the context of a trial concerning the violation of some other law (murder, for example). Laws concerning 'victimless' crimes are never even mentioned or referenced (except as possible motivational material) in a murder trial. The real reason that lawyer prowess enters into the problem is the number of confusing and contradictory laws concerning admissibility and use of evidence. Trial evidence must be gathered in a particular way, introduced in a particular order, and the jury (if any) must be advised on its meaning and relevance. If any of these are messed up, the appeal will succeed. Add to this the number of varying degrees of any crime (first degree murder, second degree, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, self defence,...) and it's easy to see how a jury can be swayed by clever lawyer. Most of these things were introduced into law in an attempt to reduce inequities in the legal system. Perhaps it's time to simplify though. J. Giles