Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site wxlvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!ittvax!wxlvax!slack From: slack@wxlvax.UUCP (Tom Slack) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Mormons are not Christians. Message-ID: <400@wxlvax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 14-Feb-85 00:30:11 EST Article-I.D.: wxlvax.400 Posted: Thu Feb 14 00:30:11 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 15-Feb-85 05:47:12 EST References: <319@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <432@ucsfcgl.UUCP> <1239@shark.UUCP> Organization: ITT-ATC SRD, Shelton Ct. Lines: 41 > > Works are EXPECTED, as a sign that a person has faith, but they DO teach > (according to my discussions with practicing Catholics) that they are not > of themselves sufficient for salvation, and that good works without faith > ought to shame those who have faith but do not engage in good works. > I would like to correct a slight implication made in the above paragraph. Mormons also believe and teach that goods works of themselves are NOT sufficient for salvation. The difference in the Morman view and that of the above (I forgot who) author is found in the last line. Mormans would say that "those who have faith but do not engage in good works" do not exist as that is inconsistant with the definition of faith (Sometimes I think that the differences are all semantics). Another point for those who would say that Mormans are not Christian. Mormans also believe that if it were not for Christ and His Atonement, the combined faith and works of man would not be sufficient for salvation. I find it interesting that some Christians (I assume that they are because they say so and their respective churches do not chastise them for so saying) consider Mormans as fundamentally different from them, but accept as similar other "Christian" sects and ministers who question the divinity of Christ. I have read bible comentaries by ministers of Christian faith (main line and fringe groups) which call into question such things as: 1) Christ was (and is) the Son of God. 2) Christ was Ressurected and lives today. 3) We receive our Eternal Opportunities because of Christ. 4) We should strive to emulate Him and His teachings. All of these things are Morman doctrine. I might personally feel like saying that people who do not believe these things are not Christian, however, I refrain myself in order to remain polite. Tom Slack :-) BTW Paul is considered an apostle by Mormans it is the later (Post Biblical) church that is called into question by them.