Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site bbnccv.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!seismo!harvard!bbnccv!sdyer From: sdyer@bbnccv.UUCP (Steve Dyer) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: RCs and WORKS Message-ID: <355@bbnccv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 13-Feb-85 02:29:14 EST Article-I.D.: bbnccv.355 Posted: Wed Feb 13 02:29:14 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 16-Feb-85 07:04:18 EST References: <542@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, MA Lines: 22 Ken, although you seem to have read some on the Council of Trent, I think you are misrepresenting the RC's position on faith, works and justification. The Council's rather extreme statement ("...anathema sit") was designed to clarify a situation grown muddy with the rising Protestant movement and its controversy--as you say, a bit too late. But this is not the same as Luther's "sola fide", or the Calvinist model of faith as a manifestation of pre-ordained salvation. It is fair to say that the Catholic position on Faith and Works goes roughly like this: Faith may exist without Works, though this is not a "living" Faith; that is, it is somehow flawed or incomplete. A Living Faith engenders and is manifested in Good Works. Good Works are saving only insofar as they are manifestations of Faith. Naturally, those more qualified than I in such matters should feel free to correct any doctrinal errors. -- /Steve Dyer {decvax,linus,ima,ihnp4}!bbncca!sdyer sdyer@bbnccv.ARPA