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Subject: Marchionni to Rosen: open note
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Date: Thu, 14-Feb-85 14:49:18 EST
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Dear Rich,

Did you ever get my netmail???

I don't understand about "writing in your absence".  Any article in which
I mentioned you I assumed that you would read, along with half of the
civilized world in the electronic village.

BTW everybody I DID apologize to Rich over my ascerbic comments. I really
have been trying to be better.

Now Sean on the other hand.....makes me look saintly.

Now that you  are reading this Rich.  What is your position on
miracles?  The Roman Church goes to GREAT LENGTHS (it's in N.Dakota) to
prove physically that a miracle took place.  We do this by trying to prove
that no known physical laws could have accounted for said miracle.  Here we try
to use science to prove that an occurance has no PHYSICAL explanation and MUST
have come from God.

We have three basic sources  for  things

NATURE and therfore explainable by science
GOD and the saints and angels for supernatural good things like grace and help
DEVIL for supernatural bad things like Demonic Possession and temptations
(see life ain't so difficult or complicated :-)  )

I KNOW that you define away God, angels, saints and devils. But what
about explaining things that science can't?

One way of looking of looking at miracles is an "experiment" which proves
something by arguing to a contradiction.

Something like this:

We want to prove that there is a God that has multiple properties.
We agree that science explains the natural and it does so COMPLETELY.
There are two planes of existence the natural and the supernatural.
Our God rules all of existence (this is one of His properties above).
We observe an occurrance that science CANNOT explain therefore it is not
in the natural plane.
There is only one plane left so it must be from God and supernatural since
natural forces (weather for example) obey scientific laws and man accounts for
other happenings also obeying scientific laws (unless it is a metaphysical
problem which are not the point here since miracles are NOT metaphysical
events).

I grant that the above may be oversimplified but I would appreciate your
comments.  REALLY!!!!!!!

Vince

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