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From: tamir@ucbvax.ARPA (Yuval Tamir)
Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish
Subject: Re: Ethiopian Jews, Racist Ultra-Orthodox, and "Who is a Rabbi?"
Message-ID: <4811@ucbvax.ARPA>
Date: Thu, 14-Feb-85 03:10:18 EST
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.4811
Posted: Thu Feb 14 03:10:18 1985
Date-Received: Fri, 15-Feb-85 02:11:54 EST
References: <861@eisx.UUCP> <4644@ucbvax.ARPA> <1143@aecom.UUCP>
Reply-To: tamir@ucbvax.UUCP (Yuval tamir)
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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Summary: 

In article <1143@aecom.UUCP> teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) writes:
>> The letter is based on a false assumption.
>> Modern Israel was not established as a "Jewish State", it was
>> established as a "state for the Jews".
>> This will (hopefully) keep Israel from becoming another Iran . . .
>    
>     Boy, this sound like something I was saying a few weeks ago. 
>     The only argument I give is that Israel should be a Jewish state,
> and that I will fight my hardest to try and insure that it becomes one.
> The analogy to Iran is very weak. ...

	>>>>>  NOTE  <<<<
In the following "orthodox Jews" refers to those that want
to convert Israel into a religious Jewish State that is run
according to the Halacha rather than the will of the majority.
I have nothing but respect for those orthodox Jews that
wish to follow their beliefs in the way they live their own
life and let others (Jews and none-Jews) do the same.
	>>>>>  END NOTE  <<<<

Anyone who has lived in Israel knows that if the orthodox have their
way Israel will become exactly like Iran -- those Jews
that do not obey the wishes of the orthodox will be punished.
People who drive on Saturday will be stoned (it happens often),
people who cannot afford a car will not be able to go anywhere
during Saturday since the orthodox don't want public transportation
to operate (this is mostly true even now),
women will have to dress "appropriately" or get yelled at
(or spit on) for being a "prostitute" (happens now in some
neighborhoods in Jerusalem), etc, etc, etc.

Many of the orthodox Jews are just as extreme as the
Moslems in Iran. When they talk they sound just like the Ayatola (sp?).

Like all other extreme religious groups, the organized 
orthodox Jews don't care about the rights of others.
God is on their side . . .

Israel was created so that Jews will have a country where they
are the majority. Israel should be Jewish in the
same sense that the US is Christian (which it is to some extent).
Those Jews that are orthodox and want to follow all 10**1000
rules and regulations in their own life, are free to do so.
Unfortunately, some orthodox Jews wish to impose their
will on the majority and create a religious dictatorship
which is identical to Iran.