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From: teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz)
Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish
Subject: Re: Re: When is the Sabbath?--or--the TOTAL prayer experience: CONSTANTLY!
Message-ID: <1150@aecom.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 13-Feb-85 13:14:28 EST
Article-I.D.: aecom.1150
Posted: Wed Feb 13 13:14:28 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 17-Feb-85 04:51:06 EST
References: <310@mhuxm.UUCP> <21390@lanl.ARPA>
Organization: Albert Einstein Coll. of Med., NY
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  long quote at end.

  As far as I can remember, I lit Channuka candles when the sun set in
 my home town of Elizabeth, N.J. and not when it set in Israel. Also, on
 Yom Kippur I ate until sunset at home and not in Israel and broke my fast
 the following night after nightfall here and not there. So why do you say
 that the holidays are dependent on Israel time? The holidays are dependent
 on local time. Therefore, when one goes where there is very little daylight
 on theoretically runs into a problem as to the time for prayer. There are
 many responsa on the issue, but the safest solution is to try and avoid 
 those areas as much as possible ( if one really cares ).

  One final point on the issue. I detected a condescending tone in the
 article I am responding to. Not only are yeshiva students required to 
 daven, but every Jew ( man and woman alike ) are obligated to pray in 
 some manner daily. Of course, I might just have read too much into the
 article, but these sideswipes at the religious are really uncalled for.

			Eliyahu Teitz.


> In article <310@mhuxm.UUCP> J. Abeles writes:
> 
> > If a person were to keep local time in space, a day (where the term day
> > means the period of time from one sunrise or sunset to another) could
> > be shorter than 3 minutes.
> > 
> > The point is that in such a situation, Eliyahu Teitz would have an orthodox
> > Jew daven shachris, mincha, and maariv in well under 5 minutes.  What happens
> > to kavannah (intention to pray;i.e., concentration) under these circumstances?
> > 
> > Or maybe halacha (only according to the Teitz point of view, of course)
> > actually forbids space travel for Jews altogether!
> 
> 
> There is an even more ludicrous scenario if the spaceship is moving with a   
> velocity of 0.999993 the speed of light.  In that case, in the reference
> frame of the spaceship, clocks in Israel are moving very fast:  in fact,
> fast enough such that a day aboard the spaceship would see Israel
> celebrate an entire year of Jewish holidays.
> 
> Since one is obligated to celebrate the Haggim according to the
> time in Israel, not only would our busy Yeshiva bocher astronaut be
> davening like mad because sunrise-to-sunset is only three minutes,
> but he would have to keep track of moosaf, ya'aleh v'yavoh, hallel,
> moreed ha'tal, etc., etc., on a daily basis!
> 
> In other words, every day aboard the spaceship, our astronaut
> would be celebrating Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipppur!  What's worse
> is that every day he would have to search for Chametz, and change
> tableware, and throw all his bread out the vacuum chute!  Imagine 
> lighting eight different sets of Cahnukah candles in a time span
> of half-an-hour!
> 
> Now imagine the even crazier situation in which the spaceship moves even   
> faster! In this way, we would have solved the problem of conversion (at
> least in space) since no one would want to be Jewish anyway.
> 
> ---
> 
> bill peter                         {ihnp4,seismo}!cmcl2!lanl!wkp
> 
> "Ben Azzai said, 'Do not be scornful of any person and do not be
>  disdainful of anything, for there is no person without his hour
>  and no thing without its place.'"
> ---

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