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From: yossi@ahuta.UUCP (j.friedman)
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Subject: Re: Re: Calling all Self-Righteous Orthodox (and I mean Right)
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Date: Mon, 25-Feb-85 16:58:13 EST
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>> > There is no justification for connecting Orthodoxy with biblical
>> > forms of Judaism.  Orthodoxy is simply one heir to biblical
>> > Jewish culture.
>> > (J. Abeles)
>> 
>>     To make a simple distinction, the Torah was given to all Jews (as
>> you so aptly state). Orthodoxy, however, is the only true extension of
>> biblical Judaism. Clearly, in the times of the Bible Jews ate only
>> Kosher food (both in and out of the house). Is there any other sect
>> of Judaism today whose adherents without exception abide by this
>> very clear Biblical precept ? Or, perchance you believe that King
>> David used to frequent McDonald's on the sly ? (Ari Gross)
>
>Orthodoxy certainly does NOT constitute "a sect of Judaism today whose
>adherents without exception abide by this very clear Biblical precept."
>Nobody "excommunicates" orthodox Jews who don't follow the laws of
>kashrut as he or she happens to interpret them.  In fact, there is
>quite some latitude within the definitions of what Orthodox Jews on
>the one hand will eat, and on the other hand will condemn someone
>else for eating.  These remarks of Avi Gross are without foundation.
>--J. Abeles

The point Ari was trying to make is that every practicing
Orthodox Jew will eat ONLY Kosher.  While there are foods that some
will eat and others will not, every Orthodox Jew agrees that, as in
biblical Judaism, there is a definite disctinction between Kosher and
non Kosher.  The "latitude" enters only in questions of validity of
supervision, not whether one may or may not eat Kosher.

While it is true that one is not "excommunicated" for eating tref,
a Jew who eats non Kosher certainly is not considered an adherent to
the Orthodox (extension from biblical) tradition.  Abeles' remarks
are without foundation.

Joe Friedman
AT&T-IS Lincroft
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