Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sfmag.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxm!sftig!sftri!sfmag!samet From: samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Re: Calling all Self-Righteous Orthodox (and I mean Right) Message-ID: <507@sfmag.UUCP> Date: Tue, 26-Feb-85 00:44:17 EST Article-I.D.: sfmag.507 Posted: Tue Feb 26 00:44:17 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 27-Feb-85 20:32:50 EST References: <3780011@csd2.UUCP> <323@mhuxm.UUCP> <73@cvl.UUCP> <328@mhuxm.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Summit, NJ Lines: 18 > Orthodoxy certainly does NOT constitute "a sect of Judaism today whose > adherents without exception abide by this very clear Biblical precept." > Nobody "excommunicates" orthodox Jews who don't follow the laws of > kashrut as he or she happens to interpret them. In fact, there is > quite some latitude within the definitions of what Orthodox Jews on > the one hand will eat, and on the other hand will condemn someone > else for eating. These remarks of Avi Gross are without foundation. > > --J. Abeles Pure ignorance. Excommunication by beis din is no longer practiced for practical reasons, mentioned in the shulchan Aruch. Despite latitude, a Jew CAN be excluded from the community in other ways for violating specific precepts, including kashrus. Depending on the severity of his violation a Jew can be invalidated, as a witness, not counted for a minyan, subject to social sanction, not called for an aliya, denial burial places etc. Y. S.