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From: west@utcsri.UUCP (Thomas L. West)
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Subject: Re: San Quentin strip searches -- a new twist
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Date: Mon, 18-Feb-85 00:23:26 EST
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Reply-To: west@utcsri.UUCP (Thomas L. West)
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Summary: 

>>> = David Canzi
>> = Tom West (me)
> = David Canzi
>>  There is *always* going to be some injustice.  Why not even out the load
>>a little?  That way, *everybody* has some incentive to help solve the 
>>injustices.

>Why even the load in a manner that increases the total load if it can be
>evened in a manner that reduces the total load?  Why should some women be
>trying to increase men's load, when that course of action doesn't help to
>lighten their own?  Moral questions aside, it's just not rational.

  Would you claim that affirmative action programs raise the total load of
injustices?  Somehow I don't think so.  They are merely remedying a situation
caused by years of injustice.  They are unjust to the groups not being 
selected for affirmative action, but I claim that the injustices that they
correct are far greater than the ones they cause.  Thus I don't believe your
point is valid.

>>  Besides, one could always argue that it's "y" causing the injustice against
>>"x".

>What you seem to be saying is that men, as a group, are guilty of
>oppressing women, as a group.  I say that the world is made up of
>individuals.  *I* haven't oppressed any women lately, so don't try
>to make *me* feel guilty.

  What have you done to help?
  Also remember that you are currently enjoying the benefits of the injustices
that occur today!  Your OHIP (medical insurance) bill is lower because nurses
are still being badly underpaid.  (And that's not supply and demand as has been
pointed out, there is a shortage of nurses.  It's because it is traditionally
a women's job.)  You are free to ignore injustices when you are no longer
benefitting from them.  Until then, you *are* guilty if you aren't willing
to at least try to help.
  To steal a phrase from somewhere else...
             If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

(or as the chemists have it: If you aren't part of the solution, you're
 part of the precipitate :-))

        Tom West
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