Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site mhuxt.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!rbm From: rbm@mhuxt.UUCP (marcus) Newsgroups: net.music,net.music.classical Subject: Re: Progress, the Arts, Razor Blades and Bull Message-ID: <631@mhuxt.UUCP> Date: Fri, 1-Mar-85 13:11:51 EST Article-I.D.: mhuxt.631 Posted: Fri Mar 1 13:11:51 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Mar-85 04:38:20 EST References: <8347@brl-tgr.ARPA>, <109@spar.UUCP> <963@hound.UUCP> <3096@allegra.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 20 Xref: watmath net.music:6313 net.music.classical:937 > "Progress" is different from"change" in that "progress" implies change toward a goal. "Progress" in medicine, most people would agree, would be a change in medical knowledge or in the application of medical knowledge that would lead toward cures. Progress in semiconductor technology can be considered to be the evolution ("change") toward smaller dimensions, greater memory storage capacity, etc. "Progress" can be measured. Although there are changes in techniques of art that occur continuously (atonality in music, minimalism in music as well as in the graphic arts, etc), I believe that most people's definition of "art" includes some idea of aesthetic sense as a main point, and excludes ideas of how this aesthetic value can be best achieved. (No, I don't think that the Mona Lisa is better art than a cave man's drawing because oils are "better" than charcoal or vegatable dyes; rather because Da Vince was a better artist!). As mentioned above, progress can always be measured. At any time during progression toward a goal, it should be possible to point an arrow in the direction toward which further change constitutes "progress". I defy anyone to define such an arrow, now, for any of the arts!