Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!crsp!gargoyle!carnes From: carnes@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Richard Carnes) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: On the news (paranoids) Message-ID: <379@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> Date: Sun, 24-Mar-85 18:57:32 EST Article-I.D.: gargoyle.379 Posted: Sun Mar 24 18:57:32 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 25-Mar-85 02:56:23 EST Organization: U. Chicago - Computer Science Lines: 43 In article <> bmt@we53.UUCP ( B. M. Thomas ) writes: > I am not deluded. I am simply trying to >let the true story of what's going on be known to those people who >still have something left of their moral senses. I merely said that >I was glad to see that the true nature of these people is being shown >before the whole nation had been sucked under by their lying facade, >and totally inured to the hideous nature of the ungodly forces directing >this activity. What I asked, and what Brian has so far not answered, is how he knows the other side is ungodly and evil, and that those who do not recognize this are lacking in moral sense. This view of "we're the good guys on God's side, you're agents of evil" is EXACTLY the state of mind that has led to the many atrocities of persecution in history, by Christians as well as others. It is known as the paranoid view of the world. It says that the trouble is caused by "them," the bad guys, the unbelievers and godless people. This often leads to the idea that the way to get rid of the trouble is to get rid of "them." I note that Brian recently quoted God, through Solomon, to the effect that it's OK to punish children by beating them; it's good for them. If God actually said this, He is the Devil. An important factor in the rise of Nazism was the prevalence of authoritative and cruel methods of child-rearing which were justified, and still are, by reference to the Bible. But according to Brian and millions of others, if the Bible says it, it's so, and directly from God. We have not learned much from the phenomenon of Nazism if we don't take very seriously the paranoid groups in our midst, such as those Fundamentalists who divide the world into good guys and bad guys. Hitler for once was right when he said, "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think." > Please stop being >deceived by your conditioning in this hedonistic culture. I live in the United States, which has a culture strongly influenced by Puritanism and the so-called Protestant ethic. It is anything but a hedonistic society. Richard Carnes