Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cmu-cs-k.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!akgua!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!rochester!cmu-cs-pt!cmu-cs-k!agn From: agn@cmu-cs-k.ARPA (Andreas Nowatzyk) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: Carver CD Player & Technology Message-ID: <332@cmu-cs-k.ARPA> Date: Fri, 22-Mar-85 16:23:57 EST Article-I.D.: cmu-cs-k.332 Posted: Fri Mar 22 16:23:57 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 26-Mar-85 05:29:28 EST References: <14700008@hpfcms.UUCP> <5000001@hplsle.UUCP> <474@harvard.ARPA>, <2515@tekig.UUCP> Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI Lines: 32 I hope cancel worked, otherwise please excuse my empty post. This was caused by our job-security program for UNIX system maintainer: they keep on moving EMACS to strange locations... On the subject on 4X 14bit vs. nX 16bit (n=1,2,4): 4x oversampling with 14bit is theoretically equivalent to 16 bit *if* the 14 bit DAC has 16 bit precision (that is, if it is equivalent to a 16 bit one that has its 2 lsb's tied to some constant). However, this is not the case. See the IEEE Journal on Solid State Circuits, Vol SC-14, pp. 552-556 for an interesting paper on the Philips 14bit DAC. At 25C, it approaches 15bit precision, but over the entire temperature range it is just a good 14bit DAC. They also claim a S/N of 'only' 90db while 16bit could approach 96db. At the time of the design (arround 1979), it was not feasable to integrate a 16bit DAC without expensive laser trimming. So part of the reason for 14bit is plain cost reduction. On the subject of ringing: Ringing is a characteristic of a particular filter design and has little to do with the components used ('capacitors'). A given n-pol filter design has a certain ammount of ringing, no matter of its realization: analog or digital. Digital filters however can be designed to have better performance by the use of a large number of poles. The Philips design has something like 64 poles while the one in Sony's D5 has 9 (if I understand the circuit correctly). The number of poles in an analog filter is limited by the number of discrete parts involved and by their precision. The number of poles in a digital design is limited only by the number of gates you can afford. Cheers, Andreas Usenet: ...!seismo!cmu-cs-k!agn Arpa: Andreas.Nowatzyk@cmu-cs-k.arpa