Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site spp2.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!ihnp4!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrb!trwspp!spp2!kovalsky From: kovalsky@spp2.UUCP (Bruce Kovalsky) Newsgroups: net.chess Subject: Re: Mate or Stalemate? Message-ID: <466@spp2.UUCP> Date: Mon, 11-Mar-85 12:30:47 EST Article-I.D.: spp2.466 Posted: Mon Mar 11 12:30:47 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 14-Mar-85 03:37:28 EST References: <559@astrovax.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: TRW, Redondo Beach CA Lines: 42 > Is the following position (taken from Steinhaus, "Mathematical Snapshots") > a mate or a stalemate? > > ....kBRK > ....PnPP > ........ > ........ > ........ > ........ > ........ > ........ > > Black (Lower Case letters) has just moved his Knight to f7 checking the > White (Upper Case letters) King. However, White has no legal move at all: > none of his pieces can move. The book claims that this position is neither > a mate, nor a stale-mate, nor another form of draw. Usually mate occurs, when > a King is put in check, and in simple terms, the King moves, but cannot be avoid > being captured on the following move. But in this case, White has no legal > move at all. So the game would stop at this point, before Black could capture > the White King. > > What do you think about this? The position is a mate. Just because White has no legal moves does not preclude him from being in checkmate; since he is in check and his king has no legal moves, then this is defined as checkmate. The above position is simply termed a "smother mate". Incidentally, this postion is interesting because it appears at first glance that it is an illegal position, since the White Rook could not have gotten there legally if White were moving in a downward (from above diagram) direction. But in order for this to be a legal position, White must be moving in an upward direction. Therefore, the White rook is on KN8, not KN1, and it could have gotten there legally. And White's last move had to be either P-R7, P-N7, P-K7, or a (Q,R,N,B or P) to B7 (where it was captured by the Black Knight, giving mate). This is a cute position that contains more than meets the eye! ----- Bruce Kovalsky ..!trwrb!trwspp!spp2!kovalsky "How do you make a small fortune in the stock market?" "Start with a large fortune."