Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site wateng.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!wateng!pdbain From: pdbain@wateng.UUCP (Peter Bain) Newsgroups: net.crypt Subject: Re: Why no hardware random numbers? Message-ID: <2139@wateng.UUCP> Date: Tue, 12-Mar-85 16:09:33 EST Article-I.D.: wateng.2139 Posted: Tue Mar 12 16:09:33 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 13-Mar-85 00:15:10 EST References: <868@utcsri.UUCP> Reply-To: pdbain@wateng.UUCP (Peter Bain) Distribution: net Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 24 Summary: In article <868@utcsri.UUCP> outer@utcsri.UUCP (Richard Outerbridge) writes: > >So, why do so few supposedly modern computers include a hardware random number >generator? I mean really, every decent library includes at least one flawed-in >one-way-or-another pseudo-random generator so its not as though its an esoteric >application. Why no hardware random numbers? >-- The Ferranti Ferret (I believe), one of the very early machines (made in Canada) had a hardwired random number generator, specifically a gas tube in a magnetic field. The problem with this type of random number generator is that the sequence of values you get is irreproducible, which can be a real drag if you are doing simulations and want to check your results, or you want to try two different algorithms on the same sequence of numbers. The problem of software random number generation has been well studied, it's just that a lot of people go off and do it themselves without knowing what they are doing... -peter -- - peter bain ...!{allegra|decvax|clyde|ihnp4 }!watmath!wateng!pdbain hard mail: CCNG, CPH-2369A, University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ont. Canada N2M 5G4 telephone: (519) 885-1211 x2810