Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site harvard.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!sullivan From: sullivan@harvard.ARPA (John Sullivan) Newsgroups: net.math Subject: Re: Re: Nova's Mathematical Mystery Tour (truth of CH) Message-ID: <488@harvard.ARPA> Date: Fri, 15-Mar-85 23:15:54 EST Article-I.D.: harvard.488 Posted: Fri Mar 15 23:15:54 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 17-Mar-85 21:52:37 EST References: <143@ihlpa.UUCP> <460@petsd.UUCP> <6353@boring.UUCP> <350@talcott.UUCP> <529@mcvax.UUCP> <6355@boring.UUCP> Organization: Aiken Computation Laboratory, Harvard Lines: 23 > Similarly, the formal > undecidability of CH does not imply anything about the status of CH; it > still might be plain right, or plain wrong. (In case you are interested in > my position, I actually think that CH is devoid of meaning.) > > Lambert Meertens CH might be plain right or plain wrong only if you think there are real objects out there which are uncountably infinite sets. The undecidability of CH says there are models for ZF+CH and ZF+~CH. It may turn out that as we increase our understanding we can come up with a new set of axioms (more "obvious" than CH) which will allow us to deduce either CH or ~CH (and, we hope, not both!). Then it would be plain right or plain wrong. But I think it is likely that this will never happen, since we don't get much real-world experience with infinite sets. Compare the situation with non-Euclidean geometry. Is the parallel postulate plain right or plain wrong? I don't think so. Even though we have much better intuition about geometry than about uncountable sets, I don't think that helps too much. Both systems have useful applications to the real world. John M. Sullivan sullivan@harvad