Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 (MC840302); site mcvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!mcvax!play From: play@mcvax.UUCP (Andries Brouwer) Newsgroups: net.math Subject: Re: Re: truth of CH Message-ID: <538@mcvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 17-Mar-85 21:08:51 EST Article-I.D.: mcvax.538 Posted: Sun Mar 17 21:08:51 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 19-Mar-85 08:14:06 EST References: <143@ihlpa.UUCP> <460@petsd.UUCP> <6353@boring.UUCP> <350@talcott.UUCP> <529@mcvax.UUCP> <359@talcott.UUCP> Reply-To: play@mcvax.UUCP (Andries Brouwer) Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Lines: 15 In article <359@talcott.UUCP> gjk@talcott.UUCP (Greg Kuperberg) writes: >> ... the current inference rules already allow you to >> construct models in which CH holds and models in which it doesnt hold. >> Stronger inference rules deciding CH would thus lead to a contradiction. > >I don't see the contradication. With the old inference rules, both models >are valid, while with the new inference rules, only one of them is. What >is wrong with that? > What is a valid model? It is one satisfying the imposed axioms. Inference rules tell you how to get valid statements from other valid statements, but have no direct bearing on models, except in that one never could accept a rule of inference when there exist models satisfying the input formulas but not the output formulas of the rule. That is why CH cannot be decided by stronger inference rules.