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From: sdyer@bbnccv.UUCP (Steve Dyer)
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Subject: Re: no messages.........
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Date: Mon, 18-Mar-85 20:10:10 EST
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Posted: Mon Mar 18 20:10:10 1985
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> 
> Perhaps this isn't the newsgroup to ask it in (perhaps
> net.women) but do all the people who believe in the
> pornography => violence => rape think that that holds for gay
> porn also?  I remember reading a parody declaring that
> `pornography' was pictures of naked women, whereas `art' was
> pictures of naked men.  I've been looking at pictures of
> naked men for years and I don't particularly think it's made
> me violent.  Would the Minneapolis/St.Paul porn ordinance
> have banned gay male porn also?  Doesn't this concern anybody?
> 

There seems to be a dialectical component to the relationship between
men and women which becomes superimposed upon something as simple
as a poor strait guy just trying to get his rocks off.  That is,
for some people (Dworkin, etc.) the objectification implicit in
all pornography cannot be separated from the objectification of
women as a class.  This is just silly, of course, and never better
served by that BIG exception, gay male porn (and recently, lesbian
porn.)  When the perpetrator is both victim and victimizer, exploiter
and exploited, one can begin to see that it ain't such a big deal
after all, just good (un)clean fun.  The gay male community seems to
take a rather tolerant attitude toward porn, coming down firmly on
the side of personal taste.  Some feminist/lesbian groups have reacted
with horror to the recent crop of lesbian erotic publications, a
controversy I have relished following in the gay press.  Nothing like
seeing such people make fools of themselves in a freer, more analytic
setting.
-- 
/Steve Dyer
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