Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site rtech.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!hao!hplabs!amdahl!rtech!jeff From: jeff@rtech.ARPA (Jeff Lichtman) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Another semantic reversal Message-ID: <238@rtech.ARPA> Date: Thu, 14-Mar-85 05:05:52 EST Article-I.D.: rtech.238 Posted: Thu Mar 14 05:05:52 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 18-Mar-85 04:01:21 EST Distribution: net Organization: Relational Technology, Berkeley CA Lines: 20 This comes from a newspaper column that George Orwell wrote in 1947: "We say, for instance, 'After a certain age one's hair turns grey", or 'There will probably be a certain amount of snow in February". In all such sentences, 'certain' means *uncertain*. Why do we have to use this word in two opposite meanings? And yet, unless one pedantically says 'after an uncertain age', etc., there appears to be no other word which will exactly cover the required meaning." One of the definitions given by Webster's 2nd is "one or some among possible others; one or some known only as of a specified name or character; as, certain leaders of the people; -- often used derogatorily; as, a certain Mr. Washington was elected President." Despite the fact that the second example refers to a specific person, I think this definition covers the case that Orwell describes. I don't have any idea how this usage came about. Comments? -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) aka Swazoo Koolak