Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!laura From: laura@utzoo.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: freedom and reason (attn russ, rich, & laura) Message-ID: <5238@utzoo.UUCP> Date: Thu, 14-Mar-85 10:33:48 EST Article-I.D.: utzoo.5238 Posted: Thu Mar 14 10:33:48 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 14-Mar-85 10:33:48 EST References: <835@wucs.UUCP>, <689@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 23 3 points... 1. It doesn't do any good to say ``a soul gives me free will''. Where did the soul get it? At some point you will have to say ``just because it did''. WHy is the soul level to be preferred over the body level? (if you have evidence for the existence of souls, this could be a very good reason, of course.) 2. If you are using what you believe or what you feel as a tool for reasoning, then it does not follow that you are not reasoning. Your conclusions may be lousy, however. 3. Schopenhauer may not be the last word on the subject. There are a good many schools of self-help, meditation, hypnosis and so on which expressly try to change what you want. saying ``well, they couldn't change that you wanted to change your wants'' doesn't work -- some competing schools try to undo what you had done somewhere else. You do have evidence that people stick with certain decisions or beliefs, but that is not sufficient. Laura Creighton utzoo!laura