Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!cca!ima!ISM780B!jim From: jim@ISM780B.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Re: Redefining free will? Message-ID: <155@ISM780B.UUCP> Date: Wed, 13-Mar-85 00:56:25 EST Article-I.D.: ISM780B.155 Posted: Wed Mar 13 00:56:25 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 15-Mar-85 02:31:00 EST Lines: 17 Nf-ID: #R:spar:-12600:ISM780B:27500066:000:903 Nf-From: ISM780B!jim Mar 12 11:33:00 1985 > A clear depiction of the vehicle by which such pure awareness may be > attained can be found in Revelations, where the angel announces: > > "And there shall be time no longer" As with many religious utterances, this one is semantically void. It is particularly silly when you realize how time-oriented are the phrases "shall be" and "no longer". So, there will be a point in time after which there is no time, but before which there is? I have trouble with most so-called metaphysical writing because it is so fuzzy and analytically weak. Mostly it is an attempt to sound very convincing about a particular silly idea that is believed without basis. The very moment you choose to try to convince someone of something, you have entered into the world of logic, proof, and analysis, i.e., science. This is fundamental in the nature of human discourse. -- Jim Balter (ima!jim)