Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-lymph!arndt From: arndt@lymph.DEC Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re, Re, Re, Rosen on Reason, Cha Cha Cha! Message-ID: <1100@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Fri, 15-Mar-85 17:57:15 EST Article-I.D.: decwrl.1100 Posted: Fri Mar 15 17:57:15 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 17-Mar-85 02:32:49 EST Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: DEC Engineering Network Lines: 31 I have been following with interest (and through heavy lenses, till now) the discussion on free will. Sic 'em Laura! But a thought popped into my head the other night ( I say it this way to give Rich a place to start his reply!) when I was watching the rerun of CAPTIANS AND KINGS, one of the best series ever shown on TV! Anyway, there is a place in the series where a senator is being blackmailed by the protagonist. The dialog goes something like this. "We came up the same way, but we turned out differently." (honest Senator) "I am what the world has made me!" (blackmailer) "No, we have our choices! We all have our choices." (Senator) ----------------------- Just so the difference of opinion I see on the net. In the cool crisp light of the arm chair, one can reason away free will as a theory that can't be supported, but in the sweat of the real world it doesn't hold up that we are what we eat or something. Law, ethics, religion, truth, beauty, thought even, sets us out to be creatures who 'move' and 'act' rather than part of the great cosmic molecule! That way lies madness!!!! Regards, Ken Arndt